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Frederick E Lepore's avatar

I for one would love LLMs to solve the physics of the singularity prior to the First Three Minutes of the universe, create a molecule that effectively treats schizophrenia, or specifically diagram how its own deep neural net outputs a correct answer.

Creativity in literature or art is a horse of a different color/magisterial domain. Was Moby-Dick regarded as a work of genius in 1851? Nope ... and its sales were dismal until the 1920s. William Faulkner was a fairly obscure regional author until Malcom Cowley resurrected him in 1946.

How can we expect LLMs to find "the correct answer" for the moving target of culture as "the best that has been thought and said in the world"(Matthew Arnold 1869)

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Melissa O'Neill's avatar

In my opinion, the fundamental premise of this article, namely that RL fostered creativity in LLMs, is false. By any non-goal-post-moving definition of creativity, neural networks are inherently creative, in that they can interpolate and extrapolate in novel ways. Take a look at the GPT2 announcement from OpenAI in 2019 and read the text about the discovery of Unicorns (https://openai.com/index/better-language-models/). This is an entire fantastical creation that created new and unique details for a scenario that did not exist in the training data. When GPT3 came out (before ChatGPT had even been thought of), I played with what it could do and saw plenty of creative text generation. Similarly, when image-generation models came out, people delighted in creating hybrid animals, mixing together different and purportedly incompatible art styles and so forth.

RL, if anything, adds _constraints_ to the creativity of LLMs. It says “you must be logical” or “always check your sources” or “don't claim to have any kind of sense of self, that upsets the humans”.

We can, of course, adopt some kind of definition of creativity that presupposes some kind of ex nihilo belief about human creativity, that we're not merely remixing and reinterpreting what has gone before, but magically pulling new ideas out of the ether, unmoved by all that has gone before, but if that's the position, well, there's little point in having any kind of conversation as we've decided the conclusion at the outset, only humans need apply for the creativity merit badge.

That said, I'm still delighted to read your post and see you thinking about these issues, and even if we disagree about what makes AI potentially creative, we both agree that it sometimes is, by our own definitions.

And with creativity in mind, inspired by your post, I asked Claude to come up with a creative parody of your post, where we ask whether planes can really fly, and make the claim that only jets come close to the flight freedom of birds. It's just a bit of fun, but I hope you enjoy it (https://claude.ai/public/artifacts/725072aa-b13e-41b9-a942-23322987bf55).

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